The jedi were an order of people with abilities to harness what is called the Force. The Republic used them like lap dogs to keep planets under their control. They were wiped out in our galaxy when the Empire rose to power from the ashes of the Republic. If any are still out there, they have done nothing in the last twenty years to help.
Jyn is not mad if they have evidently helped win our war against the aforementioned Empire, but it is not my place to explain her feelings for her.
you keep saying things like the republic and the empire like i have any idea what you're talking about but i feel like anybody who calls themselves the empire is either lowkey nazis or seriously misguided
[ hello, did no one watch the history channel as a kid? every documentary about the romans is like 'look at these fucks who tried to rule the ENTIRE WORLD and were assholes because of it' ]
the jedi are, what? missing in action superheroes who supposedly came out of hiding to save the day? not very super of them.
You would think a government calling itself an Empire would be seen as a warning sign, but there have always been those who do not care.
Before the Empire, there was the Republic, a united galactic system in place for a thousand years, one which had grown highly corrupt. It would come transform itself into the Empire in my youth. The jedi were its "peacekeeping" force.
They were killed, as far as anyone is aware. Each jedi had their own battalion of clonetroopers. Near the end of the Clone Wars, which was the conflict that lead to the birth of the Empire, the troopers turned on the jedi and eliminated them. If any of them lived, they are in hiding or working for the Empire itself. And as someone who has spent my life fighting the Empire in all its forms, I cannot say I care much for someone who spent theirs being a part of it.
[ which he was told. so as far as cassian is concerned, any jedi who spent two decades fighting for the emperor doesn't deserve to be hailed as a hero of the rebellion simply for killing one man, even if that man was the emperor. there's more to dismantling a system than that. ]
[ it's interesting stuff, to be fair — but daisy can't help but feel like she's been thrown into the space equivalent of a us history lecture she never signed up for. ]
yeah, i'm kind of getting the picture you're boots on the ground, and you're getting swept aside by people from your future in favor of these mythical heroes who weren't actually there to fight with you.
There were hundreds and hundreds of people fighting. People who gave up their lives. A rebellion is a network. People coming together for a cause that is just.
To hear what we have done is seemingly... forgotten, all because of a jedi? One who was with the Empire for most of the fight? His efforts are not worth more than the people on the ground.
i basically got the "if the cause is just who cares who gets the credit" speech from her, so i'm pretty sure that's what jyn got too.
i can't blame her for being upset, either. if somebody tried to tell me that the people who died on my team back home didn't deserve to be heroes just because they weren't magical superpeople, i'd be furious.
That is more or less what Jyn was told, yes. And it cut quite personally. But it is not about the credit. Remembrance and credit are not the same thing. If the credit did not matter, then why emphasize the jedi in the same breath?
Rebellions are built on hope, not heroes. Belief in a cause can make anyone decide to step up, and that is the most important part.
Your team would deserve that remembrance too.
[ he did not know this, but he is now maybe considering it in what she might have done back home. ]
one person is never going to win the war, no matter how super they are. they need people standing behind them doing the work on the ground. i don't understand why a cause wouldn't want to recognize those people. superheroes don't need any help being remembered.
[ captain america doesn't need anyone to praise him. but the agents in shield who drive the helicarriers and fly the quinjets and take out hydra on the ground level? they die for the cause every day, and they deserve to be remembered and honored.
daisy thinks about the memorial at the triskelion, and wonders if anyone ever put up something like that for the rebellion. ]
i'm sorry that people in your future apparently don't care to remember who got shit done
It is never one person. Such a thing is an impossibility, no matter what stories or propaganda might claim otherwise. Work is always being done behind the scenes at the very least.
I cannot say I did not expect it personally, but it is quite disappointing for the wider Rebellion.
most recently, robots who wanted to take over the world.
[ which is kind of putting it mildly, but. you know, that was the aida thing. a roomba with a pinocchio complex who designed an alternative digital universe where she could extract superpowers from inhumans and then use them to create a real girl body on the live side of the universe. daisy doesn't miss it. ]
there was a whole thing with a demon book that was also going to help a guy take over the world too, come to think of it.
[ a pang of something in her chest. another sacrifice for the greater good. ]
The entirety of the Clone Wars contained many robots, though we call them droids.
[ and in cassian's case, he never quite saw the droids as bad. they weren't trying to take over planets to his six year old brain, they were trying to liberate them. ]
So essentially you are dealing with many attempts to take over the world. Another version of this Earth. What makes this planet so special?
probably because it's the only planet that has people on it, as far as we know
[ sure, the curiosity got to mars or whatever, but it's not like there were little green men on the planet to say hi to. the world was lucky enough to have put a flag in the moon. ]
science kind of took a backseat when the flat earthers started hijacking the internet, though
when i left, we were still excited about a robot getting to mars. the most people have done is stomp all over the moon.
[ "the" moon, earth's moon. sure they're aware there are other moons for other planets, but nobody's trying to get to those. ]
the whole science denier thing is weird you've got third world countries where people are walking 30 miles to get their kid a vaccine so they don't die of malaria, and then you've got crunchy granola mom jill sporting highlights and tattoos on facebook screaming that she can't inject her kids with scary chemicals thankfully i think they all died off via natural selection before this point in the future, but they're a toxic plague still when i'm from
yeah, it's just the moon. pretty sure it's still called the moon here too. technically we know about moons for other planets but this is THE MOON. for this planet.
if you decide to learn about earth history, you're going to find there's a whole lot of purposefully stupid people existing for no good reason
are you trying to tell me there's literally some hunk of space rock out there in your universe that people actually call The Ultimate Moon? does it have magic moon powers? a theme park? overpriced hotels?
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The jedi were an order of people with abilities to harness what is called the Force. The Republic used them like lap dogs to keep planets under their control. They were wiped out in our galaxy when the Empire rose to power from the ashes of the Republic. If any are still out there, they have done nothing in the last twenty years to help.
Jyn is not mad if they have evidently helped win our war against the aforementioned Empire, but it is not my place to explain her feelings for her.
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[ she figured that was obvious. ]
you keep saying things like the republic and the empire like i have any idea what you're talking about
but i feel like anybody who calls themselves the empire is either lowkey nazis or seriously misguided
[ hello, did no one watch the history channel as a kid? every documentary about the romans is like 'look at these fucks who tried to rule the ENTIRE WORLD and were assholes because of it' ]
the jedi are, what? missing in action superheroes who supposedly came out of hiding to save the day? not very super of them.
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You would think a government calling itself an Empire would be seen as a warning sign, but there have always been those who do not care.
Before the Empire, there was the Republic, a united galactic system in place for a thousand years, one which had grown highly corrupt. It would come transform itself into the Empire in my youth. The jedi were its "peacekeeping" force.
They were killed, as far as anyone is aware. Each jedi had their own battalion of clonetroopers. Near the end of the Clone Wars, which was the conflict that lead to the birth of the Empire, the troopers turned on the jedi and eliminated them. If any of them lived, they are in hiding or working for the Empire itself. And as someone who has spent my life fighting the Empire in all its forms, I cannot say I care much for someone who spent theirs being a part of it.
[ which he was told. so as far as cassian is concerned, any jedi who spent two decades fighting for the emperor doesn't deserve to be hailed as a hero of the rebellion simply for killing one man, even if that man was the emperor. there's more to dismantling a system than that. ]
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yeah, i'm kind of getting the picture
you're boots on the ground, and you're getting swept aside by people from your future in favor of these mythical heroes who weren't actually there to fight with you.
i get why jyn's upset. i would be too.
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There were hundreds and hundreds of people fighting. People who gave up their lives. A rebellion is a network. People coming together for a cause that is just.
To hear what we have done is seemingly... forgotten, all because of a jedi? One who was with the Empire for most of the fight? His efforts are not worth more than the people on the ground.
There has to be more to it.
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i can't blame her for being upset, either.
if somebody tried to tell me that the people who died on my team back home didn't deserve to be heroes just because they weren't magical superpeople, i'd be furious.
[ dear cassian: did you know daisy was a spy? ]
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Rebellions are built on hope, not heroes. Belief in a cause can make anyone decide to step up, and that is the most important part.
Your team would deserve that remembrance too.
[ he did not know this, but he is now maybe considering it in what she might have done back home. ]
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they need people standing behind them doing the work on the ground. i don't understand why a cause wouldn't want to recognize those people. superheroes don't need any help being remembered.
[ captain america doesn't need anyone to praise him. but the agents in shield who drive the helicarriers and fly the quinjets and take out hydra on the ground level? they die for the cause every day, and they deserve to be remembered and honored.
daisy thinks about the memorial at the triskelion, and wonders if anyone ever put up something like that for the rebellion. ]
i'm sorry that people in your future apparently don't care to remember who got shit done
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I cannot say I did not expect it personally, but it is quite disappointing for the wider Rebellion.
What was your team fighting?
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[ which is kind of putting it mildly, but. you know, that was the aida thing. a roomba with a pinocchio complex who designed an alternative digital universe where she could extract superpowers from inhumans and then use them to create a real girl body on the live side of the universe. daisy doesn't miss it. ]
there was a whole thing with a demon book that was also going to help a guy take over the world too, come to think of it.
[ a pang of something in her chest. another sacrifice for the greater good. ]
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[ and in cassian's case, he never quite saw the droids as bad. they weren't trying to take over planets to his six year old brain, they were trying to liberate them. ]
So essentially you are dealing with many attempts to take over the world. Another version of this Earth. What makes this planet so special?
[ it's half sarcastic. ]
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[ sure, the curiosity got to mars or whatever, but it's not like there were little green men on the planet to say hi to. the world was lucky enough to have put a flag in the moon. ]
science kind of took a backseat when the flat earthers started hijacking the internet, though
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[ there are just! so many planets out there! ]
How can people possibly believe a planet is flat? Especially with access to the technology that exists on this one?
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[ "the" moon, earth's moon. sure they're aware there are other moons for other planets, but nobody's trying to get to those. ]
the whole science denier thing is weird
you've got third world countries where people are walking 30 miles to get their kid a vaccine so they don't die of malaria, and then you've got crunchy granola mom jill sporting highlights and tattoos on facebook screaming that she can't inject her kids with scary chemicals
thankfully i think they all died off via natural selection before this point in the future, but they're a toxic plague still when i'm from
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It sounds like they are being willfully ignorant, unless that information is being suppressed by higher sources.
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technically we know about moons for other planets but this is THE MOON. for this planet.
if you decide to learn about earth history, you're going to find there's a whole lot of purposefully stupid people existing for no good reason
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I think those people exist across any galaxy, unfortunately.
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does it have magic moon powers? a theme park? overpriced hotels?
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[ serious discussions... ]
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