There were approaches to gathering the information you've needed. The one you've taken isn't it, but instead of thinking wisely, you've proudly antagonized everyone who could disrupt our mission. That will have long-standing effects in our group.
I don't need to lead it myself, but you've displayed remarkably poor judgment.
[ is it rude to put her fingers in her ears (metaphorically) and just walk away? because that's her instinct right now. maybe that's a sibling thing, leftover from zerzura. ]
if i think we're at odds, it's because you came at me in public like an asshole.
like i said, you can do whatever you think you need to do. i never said i was in charge of any of this.
I did it because you decided the best approach was to be as antagonistic as possible. There is a time and a place for that. This wasn't it.
[Akechi believes in goading people toward action with antagonism. In this position, he thinks that Daisy acted a specific way because she didn't see the next step that was necessary.
And yes, he does criticize foresight despite his whole "cool story, still murder" backstory hinging on not knowing how to see his life beyond his ridiculous revenge dream.
Hypocrisy could be his middle name. If he had one in the first place.]
We need to work together. I'm not doing "what I feel is necessary." We all must do what we feel is necessary. As much as I criticize everyone's undue focus on the UNA as the "true enemy"—they are nothing more than weapons—they are very likely to defeat us if we see this as a "race" for who "wins."
Can you and I agree on that, at least? We'll already be at odds with the very Displaced that Cassius mocked for playing hero.
why are you so insistent on acting like i'm competing for anything? i don't want to be in charge, i don't want to win, i'm not trying to go this alone because i think i'm better than anybody else.
i asked whether people were going because a headcount is practical. knowing how many potential bodies will be out there is basic common sense. if people would rather waste their digital breath arguing about whether or not we should go at all, that's on them.
[ did she invite that argument? of course she did. not the point. ]
if your idea of working together is telling me all the things you think i've done wrong, you can get in line with everyone else. i'm not seeing you offering anything else.
An important point of clarification: I came up with it because you discussed it with someone in the open. The point felt as if it needed to be made.
I'm telling you what you're doing wrong because you don't seem to understand it yourself. You didn't just ask for a headcount. You proceeded to antagonize people.
i have to ask: does this tactic literally ever work for you?
[ if he was hoping to gently nudge her into changing her ways, this wasn't the method to pick. all it does is annoy her into digging her heels in, defensiveness and irritation building a solid wall between daisy johnson and logical action. ]
[ do you want daisy to lie to you, because that's how you get her to lie to you ]
speaking without thinking was rash and impulsive, i'll do my best not to do it again
[ it's the sort of thing she told nuns when she was little. it's also the sort of thing she means zero percent of. she's absolutely going to yeet into danger again at the next available opportunity. ]
[Note: Akechi doesn't believe her. He's just happy he forced her to say it.
He doesn't verify his pleasure. That's all for him.]
As much as your suggestion involving Ren was meant to be like a blade, it's a good idea. However, he's without his usual strategist on hand, so his skills are lacking. I can stand in her place, but we do need a headcount. Have you gotten a better sense of who took the deal in private? Though I hope not too much of one—if this network is truly created by Cassius' enemy AI, nothing we say is secure on it.
We may need to get a better sense of it on the way.
[ she wants to wring his neck right now but she's Trying to Be Good. ]
for obvious reasons, people are a little hesitant about admitting what they're up to. as far as i know, though, there's only one real way to get to new beijing. we've taken a train before, i'm guessing we'll do it again.
How we get there is less of a concern than how we'll find the means to work together.
[From the looks of it, he determines that she's unfocused and unfamiliar with how to handle an operation like this. He doesn't know if it's the stress, or perhaps she's used to working under someone who gives her orders. Hard to say.]
We need to get a head count. A proper one. I'll ask Cassius to make us a network so we can all communicate.
[ if she wasn't annoyed and already on the defensive, daisy would be happy to remind him of something she'd already said publicly on the network. (though, in retrospect, perhaps that was before his time.)
she's never wanted to be the person in charge of an operation. she's led where she had to — the secret warriors, the caterpillar projects, rescue ops and small missions to extract inhumans from bad situations — but she's never wanted to be in charge. coulson had joked once about giving her the director's seat, and daisy had stammered out her denial, pushing it out of the realm of possibility as quickly as she could.
it was too much pressure, too much responsibility, too many eyes on her and too many expectations to live up to. for someone who thought very little of their own self-worth, it was a disaster waiting to happen. she'd much rather be given orders and know she can fulfill them... or break them, if she wanted to. ]
not a bad idea. strange and i built a map during the una raids, if we can implement something like that for real-time surveillance and record keeping. anyone who's willing to go on this mission should be willing to be found in a worst case scenario.
[ they should at least try to be able to recover the bodies, as strange pointed out. ]
[Akechi has his doubts about this going over well. Given the type of people risking what they can here—no. He doesn't think it's a good idea.]
I think we should table that at the moment. Let's begin with discussing getting in and out. Strategy.
I agree there is some value in having everyone able to be found, but you have to consider the profile of those more likely to be involved.
[He both dislikes the idea immensely, but knows the value of it from his short time with the Phantom Thieves. That was primarily what Futaba did for the group within both the Palaces and Mementos.]
[After he sends that, he pauses, and she'll see the telling "dot dot dot" of Akechi not being done.
Thinking of Futaba gives him an idea.]
Rather than being available to each other by way of location, we should pick someone to stay out of the fray and help us find hiding spots. You know, the techie or support in movies, looking at the map and providing guidance. I'm sure there's someone among our numbers who took the deal who would be better suited for that.
Of course, there is Cassius himself. I'm sure he's up for it, but giving someone the feeling of importance wouldn't hurt. Plus, everyone can feel as if they truly have control over this situation if they have a firm grip on who has information such as this.
[ she's not going to defend something that akechi outright says is a bad idea. he's not going to agree with her, and she's not going to convince him. ]
you want a guy in the chair.
[ it's not a bad idea. it's something daisy has done for the displaced already, back when rey went missing, but it's not something she wants to do now. she wants to be on frontlines. ]
do you have someone in mind for something like that?
No. I know that people were aware of each other's talents in the past, but there's been some turnover, so even searching through the network is an act of futility.
If Cassius accepts my offer, I'd like to see if someone would volunteer.
if a teenager is that much of a threat to an claiming-at-omnipotent ai, he's got bigger problems than we thought. i don't think she'd do anything to sabotage us, though. you're welcome to vet her yourself if it'll make you feel comfortable.
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There were approaches to gathering the information you've needed. The one you've taken isn't it, but instead of thinking wisely, you've proudly antagonized everyone who could disrupt our mission. That will have long-standing effects in our group.
I don't need to lead it myself, but you've displayed remarkably poor judgment.
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in what universe do you think i give a shit about your critique of my intel gathering methods? because it sure as hell isn't this one.
[ she! is! so! defensive! ]
if you want someone else to lead this godforsaken mission, why don't you go tap your fake boyfriend for the job.
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No, Akechi isn't that easily appeased. He assumes she mentions Ren to hurt him. How utterly unnecessary.]
You're right that he's a great leader, but he may be less inclined to support our mission.
I am concerned that you think we'll be at odds. This isn't a competition. Working together will mean the best results.
That means not angering the people who will most likely be supporting you in the near future.
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if i think we're at odds, it's because you came at me in public like an asshole.
like i said, you can do whatever you think you need to do. i never said i was in charge of any of this.
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[Akechi believes in goading people toward action with antagonism. In this position, he thinks that Daisy acted a specific way because she didn't see the next step that was necessary.
And yes, he does criticize foresight despite his whole "cool story, still murder" backstory hinging on not knowing how to see his life beyond his ridiculous revenge dream.
Hypocrisy could be his middle name. If he had one in the first place.]
We need to work together. I'm not doing "what I feel is necessary." We all must do what we feel is necessary. As much as I criticize everyone's undue focus on the UNA as the "true enemy"—they are nothing more than weapons—they are very likely to defeat us if we see this as a "race" for who "wins."
Can you and I agree on that, at least? We'll already be at odds with the very Displaced that Cassius mocked for playing hero.
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i asked whether people were going because a headcount is practical. knowing how many potential bodies will be out there is basic common sense. if people would rather waste their digital breath arguing about whether or not we should go at all, that's on them.
[ did she invite that argument? of course she did. not the point. ]
if your idea of working together is telling me all the things you think i've done wrong, you can get in line with everyone else. i'm not seeing you offering anything else.
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I'm telling you what you're doing wrong because you don't seem to understand it yourself. You didn't just ask for a headcount. You proceeded to antagonize people.
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[ if he was hoping to gently nudge her into changing her ways, this wasn't the method to pick. all it does is annoy her into digging her heels in, defensiveness and irritation building a solid wall between daisy johnson and logical action. ]
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[ #grownups ]
i'm not playing this game with you. you want to work with me, fine. i'm not laying out my sins for you like this is some kind of confessional.
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speaking without thinking was rash and impulsive, i'll do my best not to do it again
[ it's the sort of thing she told nuns when she was little. it's also the sort of thing she means zero percent of. she's absolutely going to yeet into danger again at the next available opportunity. ]
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He doesn't verify his pleasure. That's all for him.]
As much as your suggestion involving Ren was meant to be like a blade, it's a good idea. However, he's without his usual strategist on hand, so his skills are lacking. I can stand in her place, but we do need a headcount. Have you gotten a better sense of who took the deal in private? Though I hope not too much of one—if this network is truly created by Cassius' enemy AI, nothing we say is secure on it.
We may need to get a better sense of it on the way.
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[ she wants to wring his neck right now but she's Trying to Be Good. ]
for obvious reasons, people are a little hesitant about admitting what they're up to.
as far as i know, though, there's only one real way to get to new beijing. we've taken a train before, i'm guessing we'll do it again.
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[From the looks of it, he determines that she's unfocused and unfamiliar with how to handle an operation like this. He doesn't know if it's the stress, or perhaps she's used to working under someone who gives her orders. Hard to say.]
We need to get a head count. A proper one. I'll ask Cassius to make us a network so we can all communicate.
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she's never wanted to be the person in charge of an operation. she's led where she had to — the secret warriors, the caterpillar projects, rescue ops and small missions to extract inhumans from bad situations — but she's never wanted to be in charge. coulson had joked once about giving her the director's seat, and daisy had stammered out her denial, pushing it out of the realm of possibility as quickly as she could.
it was too much pressure, too much responsibility, too many eyes on her and too many expectations to live up to. for someone who thought very little of their own self-worth, it was a disaster waiting to happen. she'd much rather be given orders and know she can fulfill them... or break them, if she wanted to. ]
not a bad idea. strange and i built a map during the una raids, if we can implement something like that for real-time surveillance and record keeping. anyone who's willing to go on this mission should be willing to be found in a worst case scenario.
[ they should at least try to be able to recover the bodies, as strange pointed out. ]
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[Akechi has his doubts about this going over well. Given the type of people risking what they can here—no. He doesn't think it's a good idea.]
I think we should table that at the moment. Let's begin with discussing getting in and out. Strategy.
I agree there is some value in having everyone able to be found, but you have to consider the profile of those more likely to be involved.
[He both dislikes the idea immensely, but knows the value of it from his short time with the Phantom Thieves. That was primarily what Futaba did for the group within both the Palaces and Mementos.]
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Thinking of Futaba gives him an idea.]
Rather than being available to each other by way of location, we should pick someone to stay out of the fray and help us find hiding spots. You know, the techie or support in movies, looking at the map and providing guidance. I'm sure there's someone among our numbers who took the deal who would be better suited for that.
Of course, there is Cassius himself. I'm sure he's up for it, but giving someone the feeling of importance wouldn't hurt. Plus, everyone can feel as if they truly have control over this situation if they have a firm grip on who has information such as this.
What do you think?
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you want a guy in the chair.
[ it's not a bad idea. it's something daisy has done for the displaced already, back when rey went missing, but it's not something she wants to do now. she wants to be on frontlines. ]
do you have someone in mind for something like that?
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If Cassius accepts my offer, I'd like to see if someone would volunteer.
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[ problem is, it's hard to tell what anyone's intentions are. ]
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Hopefully other saboteurs would be in the same boat. But I trust your time with the Displaced will help us weed out any unwanted parties.
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[ she's still mad at him. ]
you might want to check in with [Bad username or site: silena @ beauregard]. she's been wanting to help but not actually fight.
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i don't think she'd do anything to sabotage us, though. you're welcome to vet her yourself if it'll make you feel comfortable.
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